Politicians are like used car salesmen: we expect them to lie.
“It’s in mint condition,” he tells you with a straight face. “Get in. See how it feels on you.”
Sure, it takes a while for the cool air to start blowing but you don’t notice, because the salesman has rolled down the windows and opened the sunroof to let you “feel” the experience. And boy, does it feel good. “Let’s put it on the highway and open it up!” he goads. Before you know it, you’re sitting with the finance manager working out a “deal.”
She’s a nice lady, you tell yourself, as you sign up for the extended warranty, credit life insurance, and roadside assistance (which you’ll undoubtedly need). She hasn’t told you about the 3 percentage points she earning on the loan, but heck, she sure is a nice lady.
Unfortunately, we have come to expect political candidates to parse the facts in their own favor. We expect them to flip-flop on the issues, pander to our most closely held ideals, and craft charades so beautifully choreographed we would think we were watching Tchaikovsky’s Swan Lake at the American Ballet Theatre. We get caught up in the bright marquee lights, lavish costumes, the spectacular sets, and the wonderfully complicated composition. They recite the ABCs and we swoon and swear they are quoting Shakespeare.
They invite us to “kick the tires” but then count on us not to look under the hood. Many of us wouldn’t know what we were looking for anyway. When we ask questions, invariably they remind us that we don’t know the intricacies of fine machinery or how things get done in Washington. They remind us about their “experience” and spin wild tales meant to convince us that they are really just like us.
We buy into the production, because we want to believe them.
There was a time when I truly admired Senator John McCain. I am a former U.S. Marine, so when he talked about duty to country I was listening. I was listening when he led the Gang of Fourteen, a bi-partisan effort intended to thwart filibusters and confirm qualified, thoughtful jurists to the Supreme Court. I was listening when he stood toe to toe with George Bush, Karl Rove and their band of merry men in South Carolina as they smeared him with vicious lies not worth repeating. I was listening when he called Bush’s wartime tax cuts for the wealthy “immoral”, wrote an innovative climate change bill and authored another on immigration. I was listening when he called us to our higher selves, public service for the sake of the greater good. Following his loss to President Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary, he did the unthinkable. He announced publically that he’d lied about his position on the Confederate flag. “I broke my promise to always tell the truth,” he said at the time.
He had me at “hello.”
I don’t recognize the new John McCain. The man I respected was a breath of fresh air—a man of unwavering candor. He wasn’t a politician. He was a true statesman. He told the truth when it wasn’t convenient and literally balled up his fist and struck a blow to the status quo. But the man, who once wore his integrity as a badge of honor, has now sullied it distortions, half-truths, misleading statements and flat-out, bald-faced lies. All in the name of winning. And make no mistake, when you repeat the same lie over and over again that makes you a liar. Do it when the truth has been shown to you and that makes you a pathological liar in need of medication.
Rather than run on his own ideas and values, McCain has instead abandoned them altogether. Those tax cuts? Now they are the best thing since they lit up the baseball park and started playing at night. Climate change? Immigration? He won’t even support the very legislation he wrote. George Bush? Voted with him 95 percent of the time. Karl Rove? He didn’t just rip a page out of his playbook. He stole the book and the sequels. Rather than bank on his own once vaunted integrity, McCain and his running mate Alaska Governor Sarah Palin have wrapped themselves in victimhood while throwing firebombs at Senator Barack Obama.
They say politics ain’t beanbag, but McCain has become the very kind of vile, unrepentant politician he told us so often he despised. And it’s a work of fiction.
All of it.
He could take the easy way out and blame his campaign. But it’s his voice on my TV screen saying, “I’m John McCain and I approve this message.” It’s John McCain on the morning shows, angrily attacking his questioners, as time and time again he is called on the carpet for the stream of whoppers he’s told lately. Cindy McCain was right. The ladies of The View picked them bare. They forgot that Barbara Walters is a real journalist.
So let’s roll the tape. Shall we?
Obama will raise your taxes. Lie. His tax cuts will reach 80 percent of Americans. Who does he leave out? The same people who brought you exorbitant gas prices and the mortgage meltdown.
Obama wanted to teach sex education to kindergartners. Lie. The legislation called for age appropriate sex education, including a curriculum that would teach five year olds how to spot sexual predators.
Palin said “thanks, but no thanks” to the so-called Bridge to Nowhere. Lie. What she really said was please, pretty please, we didn’t need an old stupid bridge anyway and by the way, I’ll keep the money.
Palin never requested earmarks as governor. Well, yes she did. $256 million for 2007 and $197 million for 2008. In fact, Alaska has consistently been the largest per capita beneficiary of federal earmarks. She even hired a lobbyist for tiny Wasilla to bring in a mother load. “It’s un-American, it’s undemocratic, and it’s not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop,” she said. Presumably, that’s true because if they win she won’t be in a position to request any more money.
Palin, according to assorted statements, either fired or didn’t fire the head of the Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan. And according to Palin, his dismissal (or non-dismissal) had nothing to do with her former brother-in-law’s nasty divorce from her sister. That’s hard to believe when she won’t sit before the bi-partisan investigative panel that she asked for. It’s a tough line to swallow, when the Alaska attorney general (and Palin appointee) refuses to allow government employees to testify. Even though he is technically the lawyer for the state, not Palin. It’s even harder to believe when a gaggle of McCain lawyers took an express flight to Juneau to squash the investigation altogether. One usually has to wait until they are actually elected to start obstructing investigations. Even Cheney held out that long.
Did I mention lawyers are a lot like car salesmen too?
One by one, McCain has been called on to condemn the lies and what did he do? He doubled down quicker than a seasoned Vegas blackjack player. To the contrary, he’s mounted a high horse on a low road.
Look at me! I’m a POW!
McCain once railed against the intolerance of the Christian Right. The very people he has now pandered to in order to win his selection of Palin. This is nothing short of “personal treason” as one columnist for the Washington Post so aptly put it. As evidenced by her performance in an interview with ABC’s Charles Gibson, she is patently unprepared to run anything bigger than the local Piggly Wiggly.
Bush Doctrine? Never heard of it, but what’s your point Chaaaarrlie? Alaska’s energy production numbers? Grossly exaggerated. Banning books? Never dreamed of it. But I did fire the librarian when she didn’t answer my “rhetorical” questions (three times) the way I wanted her to. Foreign relations? I can see Russia from my house! Met any heads of state? No, and you wouldn’t be asking me if I was a man. Actually, what she said was that there were other candidates for vice president who had not met foreign leaders. While she was busy cruising the aisles for books to ban, she should’ve checked out a few on U.S. History.
The McCain I once respected and admired is long gone. This McCain– the one who wouldn’t know the truth if it jumped up and bit him in the face– is categorically unfit to lead. His failure to appropriately vet Palin is just one example.
That one-owner certified, pre-owned baby parked on the showroom floor and all dolled up with colorful flags? Turns out, that “one owner” was your local rent-a-wreck. Raise the hood and you discover a re-built engine and tell-tale evidence of a paint job meant to disguise a previous collision. The body is fire engine red now, but it was once metallic blue. Oh, and the odometer has been rolled back with a twisted metal clothes hanger.
Thanks, but no thanks. If I want a Whopper, I’ll stop by Burger King.
Goldie thanks for not leaving us hanging.
I know what you mean. Politicians are impossible to trust every time you turn around you hear about a special interest group donating money.
Geez. Where should i begin. How does this answer the question of why Obama is worth your support? Its funny you say you have voted GOP in each primary for the past 2 decades, but the things you list for McCain that made you admire him in the first place were all the times he strayed from Conservative beliefs and went across the aisle to work with Dems. Not saying either was right or wrong just pointing it out.
Sorry Daniel, I don’t buy into the bastardized version of conservatism going on in Washington these days. Conservatism means smaller government, protecting privacy, fiscal prudence, and personal accountabilty– all of the things McCain USED to stand for. The Bush Administration and the prior GOP Congress did none of that. They forgot how they got elected.
We need to relax if we hope to have a debate using rational though. The reason why McCain has shifted some of his policy stances is that the American people did not want them. Lets tackle your misrepresentations one and a time. First, you unfairly framed the debate on McCain and Obamas tax plan.
Nope. Actually, McCain unfair frames Obama’s tax plan every time he talks about it. That has been documented on FactCheck.org, NY Times opinion page, TIME.com and many other places.
McCain shifted his policy stances to win the primary and rally the base for the general.
I agree with you Palin said no to the “bridge nowhere” then kept the money. She spent it on infrastructure she felt would be better for alaska.
PS. Bush is not running again. I am also glad the GOP congress got booted, they needed to. In that regard we totally agree, we did need a change in direction but not the change Obama is advocating. A change back to conservative principles that you allegedly used to agree with. Back to taxes- Bush didnt offer and pass tax cuts for the rich, he gave them to EVERYBODY. We all got a piece of that cut. Second Obama has stated he will give 95 percent of working americans a tax cut. That is a lie and is not possible. It is an attempt to buy votes using a $500 or $1000 tax credit to individuals or families that are paying next to no income taxes to begin with. He will also raise social security taxes, capital gains taxes, taxes on small business owners who operate as sole proprietors, and those dont even figure into what he plans to raise to pay for Socialized Healthcare. McCain wants to continue the Bush tax cuts for EVERYONE, and offer a larger exemption for dependents that would greatly benefit the middle class without crippling small business and investments.
As far as troopergate are you saying a officer who has been caught drinking on the job twice should keep his job?
Daniel, I agree with some of your positions. Especially those regarding Conservative principals. The real ones. As for your take on Obama, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Maybe by this weekend I will post a new entry about it.
Tim, he should have been fired if that is the case. But, the Palins should have been honest about that rather than work the system in the manner they appear to have engaged.
3rd- The Bush Doctrine? Can you define it? I didnt think so as there are numerous different definitions. Patently unprepared to run anything larger than the piggly wiggly? Nice, why dont you tell us the real reason why you hate her. Because i dont understand the hatred towards her. The last i checked any governor would want to bring in money for their own state. And how can you attack her if the things you are accusing her of doing are the mainstays of your “tolerant” party.
4th- The last time i checked this country is center-right. So McCain is not pandering to win Christian votes, he is rallying to his base.
Goldie,
I will be awaiting your further postings and although we disagree i value your opinion and respect it.
I think she is patently dishonest. PERIOD. About her record, her accomplishments. All of it.
The country is center-right, but GOP primaries are hard right ventures. He cannot win without them.
You know you guys have made me the most popular poster on EbonyJet.com to date, right? I hear the site traffic to that page is through the roof. I must say, thank you.
That is what we do Goldie. Your welcome thank you for following up with us.
The country is center-right, but GOP primaries are hard right ventures. He cannot win without them.
Isnt the same true for Obama i hope you mention that in your follow up.
The challenge for both of them is not to give into the wingnuts of their parties and figure out how to govern. Now that I’ve promised a new essay, I have to do it… stay tuned! And thanks again.
The truth comes out Goldie.
“I think she is patently dishonest. PERIOD. About her record, her accomplishments. All of it.”
So your whole article is based soley on your opinion with nothing to back it up.
NP Goldie. I welcome the insight and debate.
I’ve been following Andrew Sullivan’s blog over at the Atlantic. He’s a bit like me. A conservative, but mad as hell. Frankly, that’s where I get the lion’s share of my Palin information. Make no mistake, he’s hard on Obama too.
Off to get my favorite Philly cheese steak now. Wish you were here!
I can understand a person not liking some conservative values and stances. ie pro life, pro guns, small government, etc etc.
What confuses me though, Gov Palin is a pretty normal and average american. She got lucky and made a few good decisions in a row that landed an office. But personally what is there not to like? She is religious and family oriented. She has dedicated her time to help a city. She encouraged her son to join the military. As you know it is not easy for a women to juggle career and family and she has done that.
Goldie could you link us to his blog?
I actually don’t like the way she governed. It smacked of cronyism. Then too, I believe that faith informs how we govern. And that’s okay. I want a president who believes in God. But from my perspective (and maybe I’m wrong), I think she’s a zealot. Example: I learned this morning that she defended Wasilla’s decision have rape victim’s pay for the investigative kit used by officers. That held up until the State Legislature mandated it. By the way, Alaska is the rape capitol of our country. But long story short, she didn’t want to fund rape kits because they contained emergency contraceptive. I am for Life, but that is simply outrageous. I hate wedge issues like this, but I think this is indicative of how she’ll govern. I want her to check her decisions against the Constitution, not her version of Biblical law.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/
First off Alaska being the rape capitol. Are you implying that is because of her? I hope you are not that unreasonable because since the sixties it has been and for good reason. (http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/crime/story/8825231p-8726532c.html)
No way am I implying it’s her fault. But what I am saying is that she deprived law enforcement of important investigative tools in the name of her pro life position. And, there is NEVER a good reason for rape. Although, I understand what you mean. The dynamics in the region may be conducive to these types of crimes. That said, rape victims should never, under ANY circumstances be charged for a standard investigative tool. You wouldn’t charge a gunshot victim for the ballistics test or to remove the bullet, would you?
2. This could be the first time you give a actual story with legitimate concerns about Palin.
She appointed a police chief and allowed him to slash his budget by making victims by pay rape kits.
I only get so much space, dude. My problem is I try to cover too story in a short column. I will try to do better. But I’ll never toss out a theory without a set of facts or easily retrieved research behind it. You’re here to keep me honest.
I meant to say, too “much” story…
You paint as such a villain though. The troopergate stuff is perfect example. This information is not hard to find. Alaska Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan had plenty of problems and Officer Wooten was clearly reckless. Am i going to say she didn’t use her powers to get him out of there and help a family member? No of course she had an interest in getting them both fired. That is just a pretty petty argument against her.
What about your notion that she isn’t qualified because of a few bad answers in an interview?
As with most things, it’s not the crime. It’s the cover up. Her husband had no business trolling the capitol, meeting with commissioners and sitting in on executive staff meetings. Secondly, she promised honesty and cooperation. She hasn’t provided either. Also, she and her team accessed private records to advance their efforts. Even a judge told them they were harming the Wooten children. She may have been right to seek his ouster, but she handled it inappropriately. The Alaska legislature has the right to investigate and compel testimony. Team McCain/ Palin are making it worse by manipulating the attorney general (a Palin appointee). But we’ve seen this movie before…only Scooter went to jail.
Another thing i cant get over is how you patronize Mccain for lying then coming clean saying he is just doing it for votes. Have you see the Obama campaign? No drilling/ Yes drilling, Yes public Campaign Finance/ No PCF,
It was more than a “bad interview.” When she was bulls%$@$ing, she was lying. It is simply painful to watch and witness how little she knew about the formulation and execution of public policy. And, how willing to she was to deny prior positions and direct quotes. I have never been a fan of Hillary Clinton. But by God, Hillary had a firm command of the issues. If you didn’t agree with her. Fine. She knew where she stood and why.
Leave scooter libbyout of this! That is worth a page of blogs by itself.
Yes, I have watched Obama. And there are times when I take issue with what he and his team say. Drilling? He said he opposed drilling, but was open to all solutions. But make no mistake, if we drill we won’t see a benefit for 10 years and all by itself it does not represent a path to energy efficiency. On public campaign finance. It’s a clear flip flop. But he was willing to sit down a work out a deal to make it happen. McCain’s team balked. What we got as a result is the best answer to the problem. True public financing. The goal was to push special interests further out of the process. Obama has advanced that goal farther and faster than anyone– $25 at a time.
I like Scooter! Free Scooter! No, seriously. I think he took the fall and shouldn’t be in prison.
Oh, what I meant to say was… when she WASN’T bulls#$@!ing, she was lying.
I am not saying she know more than hillary or that she is the best VP candidate. Just that you claim to be conservative then you just slam Palin with bad personal attacks. You fail to mention her approval rating and how well liked she is in her state. You fail to note that she knows more about domestic oil production than Obama and Biden combined. What is more important to you foreign relation or energy independence? You dont have to answer that is vague but the point is she has strength where others have weaknesses like ALL politicians.
I would have preferred Kay Bailey Hutchins or Elizabeth Dole. Now those are strong GOP women.
As for her weaknesses, everybody has them. She just has too many of them. I actually want an intellectual heavy weight in that office. If I’m smarter than the vice president, we’ve got a real problem. Cuz I ain’t that bright.
Well i am glad we agree on scooter.
I agree with you on drilling but its still needs to be done. After all they have been saying that for years.
Don’t know what you mean by Mccains team balking.
In special interest are you talking about the 500 g’s Obama received from Fanny and Freddy before they fell.
That is funny because Bush has a “heavy weight” in that office and we know how that out. You are putting a little to much weight emphasis on the VP’s roll
how that worked out…. Bush has the brightest and most experienced all around him and they have failed him in every political aspect.
We should never have stopped drilling in the first place. But we should have been exploring renewable fuels a long time ago. The oil industry blocked that.
McCains team didn’t want to put 527s on the table, so Obama said “no thanks.”
Now, individuals can give all day long. That’s Free Speech. But I like the idea that he doesn’t accept money from PACs or lobbyists. Max Cleland is now a lobbyist and was actually barred from attended a fundraiser I hosted in Atlanta. And he’s a former senator in a wheelchair! McCain on the otherhand has 83 of them running his campaign. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want the lobbyists in charge.
That’s because Bush himself was STUPID. They manipulated and used the guy to get their own agenda through. Cheney is an evil bastard, but he’s really smart. We call him the Dark Sith down here…
All I’m not all that sure McCain is a smart guy anymore. I don’t want to harp on age, but heck that guy seems to be losing it sometimes.
I think we can all agree we want the lobbyist out. But it is impossible to change with all that money riding on each decision.
As for weight on the VP role, the actuary tables don’t look good for McCain. She would literally be a heart beat away from the presidency and I just don’t trust her at the wheel. Would the country be okay if McCain won? Sure. But do I trust her in the driver’s seat? Hell no!
Yeah, but I’m willing to get started on the lobbyists. We may not root them out of everything, but I’m willing to give it a shot.
Well, more tomorrow. You’re very cool Tim. But I need a beer and some sleep!
It is funny how Palin’s lack of experience disqualifies her and Mccain age and experience disqualify him. Let me guess all that executive time obama and biden have had would be the perfect mix.
Good night, I am waiting on your glow piece for obama.
LOL! And I (unlike Palin) eagerly await your “good opinion”!
Damn i missed a good conversation. I agree with both of you on most of the positions you took. But Goldie we must of watched and listened to two different interviews with Gov Palin. Here’s some real quick analysis of the interview that i agree with.
http://townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2008/09/16/the_gibson_doctrine
Yeah, you missed a good one Daniel! Maybe we’ll get another one going later today.
Goldie i have read some Andrew Sullivan’s garbage and i see where you get it from. You have to dissociate yourself for the hateful personal attacks. You repeated Sullivan by saying “She lies about everything” .
Tim, I bet you think Fox News is “fair and balanced” too? Now I love Shepard Smith, but the rest of them should be hauled to the curb for the sanitation guys to pick up.
Editorial writers across the country have lit into Palin. LA Times, Washington Post, NY Times… you name it and they all think she has a problem with the truth. Now granted, Sullivan goes further than the others. But he doesn’t post anything without a link to the source.
Goldie your right… i do watch mostly Fox. If you want to call foxnews right wing explain all of their left wing correspondents. Rivera, Beckel, Colmes, Cavuto, Juan Williams, and on and on. The thing is those newspapers you just listed are radical left you can add huffington post and Chicago Tribune. What makes them radical Goldie is that all of there columnist are far left.
None of those radical guys are worthy of mention only a handful of americans subscribe and read their stuff. I only browse through those papers. I use Drudge and Slate to show me their terrible columns.
Do i have to subscribe to Andrews website to blog on there? I couldnt find anyplace to leave comments.
If you want I will site you sources of false accusations and terrible bomb throwing journalism in each of those papers. I can also do that for the networks. If you can give me any instance in fox news where there report false stuff about obama or hillary please let me know.
I know Hannity stretches Jeremiah wright stuff and Kindergarten age appropiate sex ed stuff. But that is nothing like saying” Palin is a complete liar therfore not qualified for the job” or “Palins claims that the baby is hers when it is really her daughters” or the Killians documents or General Betrayus
One word: Madrassa.
No, make that three more words: Terrorist fist bump.
Goldie i didnt think you would fall prey to the claims that FoxNews is right winged. I believe they are def center right to the tune of probably 60-40. I also believe the country falls along those lines which accounts for their unmatched success for a number of years.
Even Oreilly has taken on more of a journalist role when it comes to the impending elections. I often talk to my friends who spout the same claims, “Oh Fox News they are evil and hate Obama.” Or will say the same about Oreilly, then they will admit they do not watch his tv show, listen to his radio show, read his books, or read his columns. Its very typical.
Fox News is number one cable news channel because i believe they most closely reflect the american people and actually give dissenting opinions on both sides. On the contrary, name me another major media outlet other than the Wall Street Journal that isnt completely in the tank for Obama or is ardently left-winged?.
I feel that its important to find the semi non-partisans to actually get the facts. But i also feel its important to listen to each sides view to learn how the other one thinks. For every hour i watch of Glenn Beck, ill watch Keith Olberman, for every column i read by Dinesh D’Souza, i read Goldie Taylor. Jk but you get the gist.
Tim, is Andrew Sullivans stuff worth reading?
Actually I have studied Fox’s model. It’s a part of what I do for a living. So I spend an inordinate amount of time evaluating coverage and audience data across the media landscape. Additionally, I knew Sean Hannity fairly well when he lived/ worked in Atlanta. As for them being the #1 news channel, that’s true. But not for the reasons you think. Dissenting opinions? Well now that’s laughable.
As for MSM being “in the tank” for Obama, the Pew Center has studied the numbers and found quite the contrary.
Now that’s a well balanced media diet, Daniel. I like being on the other side of D’Souza. But that Malkin chick is insane!
It’s important to get as many sides as possible. But most Americans don’t do that. And candidates count on that fact.
I gotta run off to lunch with a friend I haven’t seen in waaaaay too long. But more later. You guys are cool!
Dan good point. I cant stand watching Beck though. Goldie you are killing me I have the nielson ratings and media bistro show the factor dominates prime time and Fox almost out gains every other network combined.(http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7C%7C%7Ccable,00.html)
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Dan good point but i cant stand watching Beck. Goldie seriously is that a straight lie. Please show us any evidence whatsoever of any time frime another media outlet beats out fox. I have media bistro and nielson ratings show the factor dominates primetime and FNC almost beats every other outler combined. (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7C%7C%7Ccable,00.html) (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7C%7C%7Ccable,00.html)
Dan good point but i cant stand watching Beck. Goldie seriously is that a straight lie. Please show us any evidence whatsoever of any time frime another media outlet beats out fox. I have media bistro and nielson ratings show the factor dominates primetime and FNC almost beats every other outler combined.
(http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7C%7C%7Ccable,00.html) (http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272%7C%7C%7Ccable,00.html)
What are you referring to with Madrassa and Terrorist fist bump. Please let us in on your knowledge of the media that we lack.
It was Fox that first publicized the “Madrassa” smear on its morning show– without confirmation of what Indonesian school Obama attended. And did not report that it was a secular school. They advanced the notion that Obama was a closet Muslim in countless news reports.
A few months ago, news anchor referred to Obama and Michelle’s onstage fist bump as a “terrorist fist bump.” ON AIR. You can find it on YouTube.
Both were so far over the line, they couldn’t see the line after they jumped it.
What I know is this. MSM panders to their audience. Just a so-called left wing publications pander to liberals, so then do right wingers. That’s the nature of the business.
Okay, now I’m really addicted. I’m sending this response from my Blackberry. I NEVER do that. To your question Tim. Yes, Fox leads. However on the big nights during this campaign season CNN has beat them AND the networks– which never happens. And by wide magins. But my earlier point was not that Fox doesn’t lead. It’s what’s INSIDE those numbers– which you’ll never get from the topline numbers you’ve seen. More on this later. I’m sooooooo late for lunch.
Okay… one more thing before I take a much needed nap (teenagers will drive you craaaaazy!).
This from TIME’s Stumper column:
[Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Friday running mate Sarah Palin has never asked for money for lawmakers' pet projects as Alaska governor when in fact she has sought nearly $200 million in earmarks this year. McCain made the comments as he appeared on the ABC television show "The View" as part of his effort to woo women to his candidacy... When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said: "Not as governor she didn't."
That's 100 percent not true. Either McCain is unfamiliar with his running mate's record--or he's lying. ]
Here’s the video:
Goldie,
To fault a gov for trying to get money for her state just doesnt make any sense. With all of the attacks hes had to try and face about her how on earth can he keep anything straight. And if we’re gonna look into it that deep we might as well examine each and every dollar of those 200 million in earmarks.
Goldie or Tim,
Where can i go to look at ratings for all the TV and Radio shows?
Not faulting her for earmarks. Just want them to be honest about it. How’d she spend it?
This from the “Stumper”
[When McCain introduced Palin late last month in Dayton, Ohio, he touted her as a fellow crusader against wasteful spending. Palin called herself a reformer who worked to end the "abuses of earmark spending in Congress." Unfortunately, Palin requested more than $450 million in federal earmarks during her two years as governor of Alaska--more per person than any other state. (Not to mention being for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.) And Palin wasn't new to the practice. Previously, as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Palin employed Washington lobbyist Steven Silver to bring home $27 million in bacon--about $3,375 per person. The town had never received earmarks before Palin's tenure.
Many of Palin's pet projects, in fact, were exactly the sort of thing that McCain has spent years mocking.
On the stump, McCain takes particular pleasure in knocking a study that sought to determine whether grizzly bears should remain on the endangered species list. "We're not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," he says, usually to sympathetic laughter. "I don't know if that was a paternity issue or a criminal case." Palin, meanwhile, has requested more than $3 million--$3.2 million to be exact--for research into the "genetics of harbor seals." (Palin's other animalian targets include rockfish, halibut, sea crabs and sea lions.) What's more, three of Palin's Wasilla earmarks--a $500,000 public transportation request from 2001; a $1 million emergency communications center from 2002; and a $450,000 agricultural processing facility, also from 2002--appeared on McCain's annual "pork lists," or catalogs of "objectionable" spending.
All in all, it's kind of tough for McCain to say that "earmarks equal corruption" without implicating his own running mate.]
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/11/why-all-this-talk-of-earmarks-is-nonsense.aspx
Daniel, here’s one site. But again, you only get the topline numbers. If you did into the site, you should be able to find stories about the “big” nights, like nomination wins, convention coverage, debates, etc.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/
I don’t know what ratings she is talking about that CNN is beating fox.
Here is Nielson’s ratings
(http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/menuitem.dce9b586b72c5e9e4a90e91047a062a0/)
Then Zap2it does thereown thing to but i dont know how reliable they are
Here’s another, but I think you have to have a subscription.
http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/
Also, go to NYTimes.com (I know it’ll hurt) and search “presidential election coverage ratings”
Goldie that is the kind of stuff you should put in your column…. then again if you did we might not be here arguing with you.
The NYTimes.com is where you will see the factor dominating.
Okay, guys… here’s the BIG secret. CNN is my client. I’ve seen the internal numbers and know how each network and cable news show does DAILY. Fox wins on typical nights, until you get to the major events– debates, conventions, election results, etc. On those nights, CNN wins by a large margin. Fox’s ratings on the other hand are shrinking when you compare year-over-year.
Cable NEVER beats networks. That is until this year. CNN has beaten all of the networks on various big event nights. Fox never has.
So, while you guys are talking about “snapshots” and I understand that’s all you can see. I am talking trends and growth.
So, I work for “the Man.”
Yeah, I used to watch The Factor in its early days. It was pretty good. But something has changed about O’Reilly. So I don’t watch. His audience is shrinking, slowly, but shrinking. He stills beats Cooper by big margins, though.
LOL yea now it comes out. I see what you mean but day to day ratings i would argue are much more important, that is when the people who are informed are tuning in. Nights with big events get the casual observer.
Beats Cooper? He slaughters him. Nielson and media bistro both show the factor in consistently in the top 15 of all primetime shows. I have never seen good ole anderson up there.
Here’s an interesting study from the Pew Center. They looked at who watches what news and why.
http://people-press.org/report/215/news-audiences-increasingly-politicized
What is it that changed about o rielly that you dont like?
I specifically help them with minority viewers. Now that’s an audience Fox has consciously forfeited. But it’s the one that’s growing the fastest.
That is a problem with the republican party more than a news network though right?
I found him contradicting himself in a number of instances. And I don’t like how he “wars” with anchors from other networks. I used to think of him as the objective observer who would take on anybody, no matter the party or ideology. I liked that about him.
Well, the GOP forfeited the vote a LONG time ago. I was actually a part of their effort to attract more minorities and actually ran as a GOP in Georgia. I was absolutely not welcome and they let me know it.
Fox has followed suit.
That is exactly what i like about him. I agree he has hammered the left and liberals alot lately for about a year. He explains why in culture warrior. He says it is the secular progressive agenda that can really hurt americans and the liberals are the ones who tolerate it and sometimes push it.
I invited a new friend– John for Beaverton, OR– to join us. He’s a Conservative too. Hopefully, he will log-on.
Yea like you said the nature of the business.
I think O’Reilly has gotten away from that. I mourn the loss.
a real conservative or one in disguise like you?
I just heard something on CNN from Cafferty. “Why do we socialize losses and privatize profits?” Now that’s what I want to know.
I dont know day in and day out he calls out people who aren’t helping the “folks”. The only thing i see that has changed is the hammering of jessica’s law and sanctuary cities. The culprits are usually delusional liberals.
Shoot, I’m not in disguise. I went to lunch with a girlfriend today and told her the “conservatives” were attacking me. She laughed and said “you guys eat your own!” LOL!
You are exactly right about that with Fanny and Freddy. That is why the government isn’t supposed to compete in the market.
I HATE sanctuary cities.
Looks like Daniel left us
Well help me understand your conservative values that lean toward obama and away from mccain.
I’m not attacking your conservatism only your baseless attacks on palin. (inyour article)
At the end of the day, I trust Conversative values. However, in the last eight years, we haven’t governed that way. We completely abandoned what we worked to get.
As for Obama, I hear a lot of common sense coming from him. I think he is more of a centrist than a leftie.
If you remember, Hillary’s people didn’t like him because he wasn’t far enough left.
I also think he has a stronger grasp of the issues. And I absolutely know he’s willing to bring all the viewpoints to the table and make a call that’s in the interest of America.
The interesting things is that most African Americans don’t think he’s talking about THEIR issues. But I think these are AMERICAN issues.
I like his energy policy, approach to healthcare, his diplomatic strategy and other stuff. But most of all, I want us out of Iraq. TODAY.
We had eight years to get it right. We’re such dire straights now that I am willing to try a new direction.
I hear you but what exactly. Stronger grasp? I dont know i think Obama beat Hillary in the primary by being more left than her. Then when he locked it up he went back to the middle.
Oh, I know you’re not attacking me. I never thought that. We just have disagreements on Palin. And the point of my article is that I’m not willing to take the dive for her just because she’s a woman.
Hey Goldie & Tim – greetings: I’ve come to help beat up on Goldie
Wish I could contribute here – I have got a TON of work to catch up on (yes, I work for the man too – but its good, we get along). I’ll check in on your blog next week when things aren’t so crazy for me – enjoy the weekend!
Ah okay but none of that is conservative. Energy, Health Care, and Foriegn relations are all left wing ideology.
I think if we gave them all a Civics test, Obama would win. I think if we played quiz show and didn’t let people answer their own questions, he’d win that too.
Is Iraq the big issue for you?
I don’t classify those issues that way or his approach. I think it’s common sense.
Iraq is HUGE for me. They lied to us.
Nice, so your assumptions based on a game show about america you think Obama would win? Therefore vote for him?
And now, my fellow service members are dying or coming home injured to a system that doesn’t support them.
Lets talk about Iraq then.
Does them lying to us to get us to go (i dont believe) have anything to do with this election?
I am in the Air Force.
No, I just want somebody who knows what they’re talking about and not leaning solely on ideological talking points. I certainly don’t want them to check their Bibles before they make a policy decision.
I know. I looked you up. Andrews, right?
where’re you from?
I havent heard much at all about Palin and Mccain with religion at least no where near the publicity it got four years ago.
Funny: I had a Ron Paul supporter attack me repeated via e-mail. She looked up and found my office account. Told me I had blood on my hands. Oy vey!
I’m from Michigan but now i live in Maryland.
That was the first thing I found about Palin (not McCain). She is an evangelical Christian. That’s why the ticket got so much new support.
My older step brother was Air Force and now retired Navy, living in Maryland. Joined at 18. Very, very conservative.
Bush was atrocious in Iraq, he just got lucky with Patreaus saving the whole war. Whether you agree or disagree with going there in the first place it needs to be stabilized before we get out right?
I’m from East St. Louis, Illinois. Terrible city. Crime, poverty, broken schools. Probably the worst place in America. I live in Atlanta and have for most of the last 23 years.
In the words of Colin Powell “if we break it, we have to fix it.” Patreaus did a great job saving W’s butt. But I’m not sure it can be stabilized.
“That’s why the ticket got so much new support”
I could not disagree more. I think that all the crazy attacks on her personally has made her a rockstar and made average people feel sorry for her.
And I want you fully funded with every thing you need as long as you are there. But I want us to step up getting them stabilized and get out.
I am reading Bob Woodward right now and he has some interesting stuff about Iraq in his new book.
The numbers show that the Christian base had not rallied around McCain. But when she was announced, red states got redder. Dobson and others came off the fence. I think there is some resentment based on how people think she’s been treated, sure. But GOP women are on fire!
I think most everyone agrees on that right… who doesn’t want it stabilized as fast as we can then getting out?
GOP women are on fire!
I do think her announcement rallied the base like they never had before.
You know both Mccain and Obama have about the same exit strategy. The only difference is obama called for it sooner almost right after they said they want us out.
The number say that.
What are you doing hanging around on the computer on a Friday night?
They are on fire and the MSM started it.
I just checked the site traffic. Way up again.
I have two kids and my wife is at work.
Kewl! My kids are headed out to a HS football game.
Mine are in the bathtub.
MSM was a part of it, but she was a known entity to the evangelicals and they loved the pick.
So you need to hate on her for it? By that logic wouldn’t it bother you that 95% of blacks are voting for obama?
Both bother me. I don’t do identity politics. But I also don’t like the influence the Christian Right has had on the Conservative movement or politics.
And there are plenty of Black candidates I wouldn’t vote for. Now, in all fairness, Black people have been voting for White candidates for a LONG time.
hmm that is interesting you identify women.
I mean Evangelical identity
Shouldnt Secular Progressive bother you more than Christian right?
Considering you conservative values.
Nobody complains when Blacks give 80-95 percent of their vote to White candidates. We tend to vote in masses. It’s cultural. We still practice village politics. I don’t like it, but that’s the way our community operates.
Nope. Not when I’ve witnessed the intolerance of the Christian Right up close.
What do you mean up close?
Now here’s the fun fact. Blacks are typical some of the most socially conservative on the planet. So you gotta ask yourself why they won’t band together with White evangelicals.
Church going is almost a given among Blacks. Did you see how many people were “praying” for me on the Ebony blog?
I mean I have worked with them locally and nationally on several campaigns.
I hear you, i agree with you. I believe they are the only part of the black community that looks at a republican.
There was nothing Christian about these folks when it came to minorities or anybody else who didn’t look like them or worship like them.
Don’t know what you mean. I need somekind of radical christian policy or agenda that hurts you up close.
The funny this is we are Pro-Life, Pro-Death Penalty and a lot of other stuff. We could care less (not me) about the environment.
But we don’t like to be demonized and that’s what the Evangelicals have done over the past few decades. That’s what caused Blacks to move from the GOP in droves. We used to vote straight republican. All of us.
More on that later. I will give some specifics. Right now I’ve gotta go dole out cash so my kids can go to the game. But I will start with the last time I went to a GOP convention…
First i dont think the environment has anything to do with the christian right. Second you disagree with them on two issues that divide america in half. What did you witness up close to turn you off?
Okay thanks…… I just dont see how they hurt america the way the secular agenda would hurt america. Specifically the progressive agenda is anti religion and anti family. Now I am not a moral chest thumper but religion and family values is the foundation of our country and the only thing keeping us from becoming San Fran.
Oh, you should she the Christian Right’s position on the environment. They think it’s a Leftist issue. Palin had to back track off some previous statements.
But more later. Gotta get dinner too!
Lived in San Fran. Hated it. But I hated Boston too!
Time to put the kids to bed.
Here’s one to sleep on:
[No Biblical literalist can believe in evolution. So either Sarah Palin does not hold the faith she says she does or she denies one of the core theories of scientific modernity:
Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board," said Munger, a music composer and teacher. "I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism -- your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.'
"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."
If you thought Christianism reached its apex under Bush, wait for Palin. She will, of course, lie if asked, depending on the audience. It's what she does.]
Damn why do i always miss the good stuff. Anywho, Goldie i think you hit it on the head and enuciated one of my points. The average african american astrives to traditional values and is overwhelmingly christian, so why the blind partisan voting record?
Say ing that blacks used to vote for whites in droves doesnt make sense, when a black person wastn even in the running. If my ethnic group ill leave it a mystery for now, were to vote 95 percent one way, id be ashamed of them.
I just dont see why you feel the GOP as aliented them, when on your last article a poster “Chuck” said it perfectly, he said that if a black votes republican he as obviously been hookwinked into voting against his own best interests….
That statement right htere is a product of the media and the falacy of the entitlement mindset being drilled into peoples heads over a long period of time. When in reality the compassionates and people who really care on on the right, just look at the disproportionate amount of charitable contributions and happiness rates that repubs and specifically evangelicals have compared to libs.
Sorry, we missed you DANIEL. You are right on so many points. But I promised a more detailed look at how Blacks were aliented from the GOP. And we’ll all have that conversation when you’re here.
It started right here in the South, right after the Civil Rights Act of 1965. Not much has changed since. It’s an interesting dynamic. We call it the “schism.”
Also Goldie i take issue with you on Oreilly. Lately especially the last 3 months hes been pretty middle of the road. I dont know the change in him you speak of. If anything hes less arrogant and condescending than he used to be.
Although i do wholeheartedly disagree with him when he sends his people out to hound others and put a mic in their face. It makes him look like an asshole. None-the-less at least on his radio show he rails against both sides and give his imput as to what he would do for each party and tries to display facts on the current situations our country is in.
let me start by saying that i have never sat at my computer reading one ongoing blog for so long.I honestly admit that I have been reading since about 1pm this afternoon,and it’s now 8:30.I have never been so interested in these things before coming across your debates with tim,and daniel.I’m really lovin this.I feel i could live on this page for all the info about the presidential race coverage that i seek.I am a strong obama supporter,and i am so glad that i have someone like goldietaylor on my side!! not only do you have a lot of helpful information on websites with
interesting infomation on each candidate,it’s refreshing to know that there are still people left in this world that can debate with each other and really enjoy it.you guys have me hooked now please don’t stop anytime soon!!!!!!!
Please watch this. Both of you.
Welcome IRIS!
Daniel, I’m going to look at the video now.
But, O’Reilly really ticked me off when he went to a restaurant in Harlem last year and made some pretty horrid remarks about his visit.
Oh and that whole ambush journalism thing is getting out of hand. O’Reilly ambused a friend of mine here in Atlanta, because she took issue with him on the Spears/ Palin teen pregnancy issue. He flip-flopped, got called on it, and then went after the editor in her own driveway on a Sunday afternoon. That ain’t the O’Reilly I used to like.
Goldie i just read your post for us to sleep on. Im not sure what your view is on this?
One of the core theories of scientific moderninity? What?
So you are saying you are a Christian but believe in evolution? Thats exactly what evolution is, a theory based on hope and random variation. It can no more be proved as you can disprove the existence of God.
I do admit as somewhat of a skeptic and thinker that im not sure where the literal translation ends and rational modern thought begins, but i guess that’s the definition of what faith really is. And i think its safe to say that someone OF faith, not just a faith in the Christian god, but a faith in A God or higher power, is much better off than someone adhering to their emotions or whatever their environmental factors have taught them.
And what are you talking about Christianism? And why isnt creationism at least taught or mentioned as an opposing view, or at least an alternate view to evolution. I just dont get why you can teach a secular THEORY as a proven fact when it isnt.
Do i need to send you a copy of Ben Stein’s Documentary?
Oh now THAT video is funny! I am posting it on this blog right now!
Oreillys statements were taken out of context i believe, and misconstrude. Is that a word, anyway when people are looking to interject race into the discussion, they can do it. Its an unfair practice and it needs to stop. As a bi-racial american who lives a stones throw from Detroit and grew up in a small town im sick of it. We need to search for the truth. When the two sides cant even come close to agreeing with the facts, its difficult to find a common ground on how to move forward.
Goldie i really look forward to you history lesson on blacks and voting history, i really mean it.
Yeah, send me the documentary link.
As for Creation vs. Evolution, I am not a fan of Intelligent Design. I think the Bible is written in allegories. If I took every word literally, I would still be a slave and McCain would be getting stoned at the edge of the city right now!
But I’m not a theologists. As Einstein said, the more we learn the more we know that God is real.
We’re bi-racial too. Our family looks like the United Nations! I’m all for searching for the Truth. I think we’re all in for a big surprise when we find it.
Hello Iris.
You may also want to read the posts between Tim, Goldie, Me, Chuck, Ken Strickland and the others from Goldies column “A Womans Worth.” Pretty good stuff. Start in the middle though because it didnt get juicy until Tim and I joined the debate. Ha.
If Einstein said that that is brilliant. I think the sad truth is that the more you think, the more doubts you have. Look at the amount of PHD’s and Professors and Scientists that think any belief in any God is simply moronic.
Yeah, the EbonyJet.com discussion is pretty funny. Not sure I like that Mike guy though.
Iris… here’s the EbonyJet.com link:
http://www.ebonyjet.com/politics/national/index.aspx?id=9282
Here is a link to the Movie. I believe the DVD comes out in October, i saw it in the theater and enjoyed it. Stein is a non religious Jew. Just points out the hypocrisy in todays higher learning institutions and connects the anti religious zealots to many of the atrocities that have taken place in our modern world. Mostly all linked to Darwins writings, taken just a bit too far.
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/home.php
Oh God is DEFINITELY real. And I think he’s really pissed off with his people.
Yeah, but we Christians have done our share of killing, enslaving and spreading disease– all in the name of the Good Lord.
oh i started with “A WOMANS WORTH” i been with you guys every since, at one point someone asked you to explain your self and you gave him this web address and i just followed along.trust me when i say i’ve been sitting here all day i ment it!!!!!
Glad to have you Iris. I need re-enforcements with these fellas. They come armed with facts (and a few misguided statements)!
My cat is yowling at me! I think he wants his Fed bailout…
oh i’m sorry daniel.I thought you were goldietaylor.i guest i’m a little sleepy now
but i’m not leaving until you guys do!!!!
and your right it did get much more interesting
with you guys
It would be fun to host a blog with EbonyJet.com, but their running a little lean right now– like everybody else. This market is crazy. Did you guys hear what Paulson told Congress last night? He said the market was headed for a complete meltdown within days. This is serious business. We don’t have time for partisan bickering or to see who will get it right in January. They have to get it right, right now!
Well Iris, I think Daniel has dropped off again. More tomorrow. I’m going to go pour a glass of wine and watch the news! See you soon!
Sounds like Paulson thinks the glass is definitely half empty. Geez. This seems like something that the higher ups should have seen coming. But is this a reason for less regulation and less bureaucracies along with more oversight and some semblance of accountability? ?
You’re right im outta here for now. Look forward to the future discussions.
How do i know when you post additional info not in this thread?
Paulson is a prudent guy. If he sounds an alarm, it’s real.
And you can’t have more oversight with less regulation. I heard a report today that said the instruments that caused the melt were new and nobody knew how to regulate them.
I will create a new thread for us. No worries. It’ll be right up top! G’night, friend.
this is crazy!!!!!
before today i have never felt compelled to particapate in blogs.although i have been following this election,and feel that i have
armed myself with alot of factual infomation
about the candidates,i find it hard to comment on a lot of other blogs because they don’t stick to the facts.it always turn into stupid comments
about madders that don’t pertain to the issues,and sometimes i have difficulty putting my thoughts into the right words
that’s why i’m really enjoying this little intimate
debate between you guys!!!
good night
No problem. No bombs will be thrown here.
Night for now.
Goldie, we are waiting patiently for your next piece. If you need help writing it I can tell you a few things we would like to hear.
1. Christian right vs Secular progressive
a. How does “Christianism” hurt america exactly
2. Obama vs Mccain economics(would they both go for the bailout?)
a. special interest and history on their advisors
3. That detailed look on how blacks were alienated from GOP
That is just off the top of my head… I could go all day, I need a lot of help
Goldie, you’re a good one to waste so much time with Tim and Daniel who are clearly Republican shills, probably paid to write stupid questions to you. I’ve tried to read through all of their dribble, and they constantly repeat themselves, and change their lies from one side to the other. For example, they claim they don’t like earmarks, but they defend Failin’s use of earmarks! It’s OK because…? Then they call you names because you state clearly that if Failin’s going to say earmarks are wrong and then turn around and request and use earmarks in her state, that she is not to be trusted.
I think you write very clearly. I think Tim and Daniel live in some Republican enclave somewhere and never see anyone who doesn’t look like them unless they turn on cable. And as dyed-in-the-wool Faux watchers, they probably don’t see many then, either!! Posting to your site is probably as close as they’ve ever come to “relating” to anyone not like them!! I wonder how many pregnant 17-year old high school dropouts they have in their neighborhood, since I’ll bet they think that’s good, and that all women ought to follow suit-LOL!!
Wow! I logged on to see if Goldie had anymore insightful posts, and this is what i find. Gigi, its great that you try to imply that Tim and I are some kind of paid for republican racists. That is so typical. It figures as much that when you cannot stand up to our reason and/or facts, or when you just disagree, you throw something into it like race.
I have the utmost respect for Goldie and although we disagree on issues we have engaged in a civilized debate and i have thoroughly enjoyed it and learned from her. I could be wrong but im guessing Goldie and Tim feel the same way.
Im guessing you read a few posts, then, one of ours really struck a nerve, and as a react emotionally first liberal decided to respond in an unfair and irrational manner.
I didnt know that Metro Detroit was a “Republican enclave” full of “Republican shills.” You should be ashamed of yourself.
May I say thank you to a woman who is so well versed…one who spoke my thoughts, in profound, intelligent words. I have tried to wrap my brain around the thoughts that lay in my head every night, but I could never get those words quite right. As every man struggles around me to attain and keep a adequate job (never mind a career) or as my beautiful female friends find their lives haulted by sudden plagues of money shortage, I find myself trying to be their “brick layer”. Now I simply realize that I am with them, searching and reaching for “a brick layer”. You stated so wonderfully who our brick layer is and who it most certainly can never be. I value you and your words. And I, without doubt, agree.